There is a misconception out there that traveling with a firearm is difficult or a pain in the ass. In my opinion this could not be further from the truth. Recent changes by the TSA have made it even easier then it was before. With just a little bit of pre-trip planning, you can provide extra security and peace of mind for you and your family when you are on vacation or business travel.
by Mark, a contributing writer
Almost every time I fly, I bring my pistol. The break, even for me, is how many days I am going to be gone and who is traveling with me. If I fly in and out on the same day, no gun. If I stay overnight or if I am traveling with my family, I bring a gun. It is really that simple of a decision for me.
Have Gun, Will Travel
I am always a little blown away when I talk with fellow survivalists and they tell me that they are traveling for work or vacation without a firearm. I can totally understand this if they are traveling out of the country or to one of the former Soviet States such as California, New York, Connecticut, or Illinois.
But when you are traveling from Colorado to Texas by plane and have to be in Dallas for a week on business, you need to have your gun. The great state of Texas has reciprocity with Colorado for concealed carry permit holders, which means that if you have your Colorado permit, you can legally carry in Texas (go to USACarry.com to check your state’s reciprocity agreements).
The excuse that I hear most often is, “I wanted to take my gun but it is a pain in the ass.” Pain in the ass? A pain in the ass is getting into a gun fight and not having a gun. I am here to tell everyone that traveling on an airplane with a firearm is a piece of cake. In fact, it has gotten easier over the last few years. With all of the trouble in this world, with all of the crazy people, I just feel better when I have a gun on me. I am safer, my family is safer, and the people around me are safer. When I have to travel by plane, it just takes a little prior planning to make it a successful trip with a gun. It really comes down to two things. Knowledge and a hard sided lockable gun case.
Why Bring A Gun?
This is a question that is asked often by my liberal girlfriend. “Why do you need a gun?” Or sometimes I hear “If that gun makes us miss our flight then you are in big trouble.” My answer is easy and consistent, “The world is full of crazy people, we are better off if I have a gun.” It is hard for her to argue against that one. You only have to look on the Survive Doomsday facebook page to see the latest self-defense articles to know why you should carry if you are legally able to do so.
If you are like me, you believe that the next major Al-Qaida or ISIS terrorist attack will not be carried out by 19 hijackers with box cutters on an airplane, it will be a Mumbai style or the Westgate Shopping Mall style terrorist attack in Nairobi, Kenya. Four terrorists attacking a heavily populated location with assault rifles, ammo, assault vests and a will to kill a lot of people can do some serious damage the American psyche. The problem is that unless these sleeper cells are picked up by FBI/NSA type tracking, they are almost unstoppable.
As countries like Israel know, a determined terrorist will always finish the task that they set out to do unless equally determined men and women stop them. The larger threat to American travelers is not from terrorists but from the chance of common crime such as armed robbery, carjacking, drug-related robbery, and burglary.
My first “Have gun, will travel” experience came back in the early 2000’s when the assault weapons ban ended. I purchased an AR-15 (do you really need an AR-15?) in the Midwest and flew from Chicago to Seattle with my new rifle. I was pretty nervous since this was my first time traveling with a firearm.
I checked the TSA’s website and called the airline to get the low down. After getting all of the information and doing a little bit of planning, I traveled to the airport and walked up to the ticket counter. I told the person who was working there that I was flying to Seattle and I needed to check one bag and also declare a firearm. She gave me that look like “Am I going to have a problem with this guy?”
I just gave her a smile and showed her my ID. Back then, traveling with a firearm was a pain in the ass. She then had to stop what she was doing and walked me over to the TSA guys. The TSA gave me a firearms declaration form to fill out and then opened my gun case, wrote down the serial number of my firearm, made sure the case was locked tight, then wrapped my gun case in yellow tape. Then they took my rifle and told me that I could retrieve it at a special TSA pick up window at the Seattle airport. When I arrived in Seattle, I had to go to baggage claim, wait for my regular bags. Then after I got my bags, I went to the TSA window and got my rifle. It was a little bit of a pain in the ass but now all of that has changed.
The new TSA process is a little more streamlined. Like before, you still have to see the ticket agent like you were checking a bag and declare your firearm. Declaring your firearm is really an easy process. Here is an example of what I say “Hi, my name is Mark Puhaly and I am flying from Dallas to Denver and I would like to declare a firearm.”
The ticket agent then checks you in for your flight and gives you a firearms declaration form to fill out. Once you have done that, the agent either tapes the firearms declaration form on your TSA approved firearms case or gives the form to you and asks you to tape it to the case. You can pack your ammo in the same suitcase as your firearm, but I recommend that you do not put your ammo inside the same hard sided gun case that you are storing your firearm unless your actual gun case is the only bag that you are checking (for example if you are checking a hunting rifle).
Although it is not illegal to do so, I think that it just makes things easier when you are talking to the airline agent and the TSA. “My firearm is unloaded in a locked hard sided case inside my suit case and my ammunition is securely packed in a separate case.”
Really I think it is the ammunition that freaks people out. People think that is is going to blow up. Most of the questions that I have received from TSA and the airlines when I fly with a firearm has to do with my ammunition.
Also, your ammo cannot be lose, it must be in the factory packaging or an ammo case. After you have filled out your form and get checked in for your flight, the airline person then signals an airport courier, who comes over, grabs your bag containing the firearm and walks you and the firearm over to the TSA counter (You have to go with the courier for this step).
From there, you stand and wait for TSA to scan the bag with the firearm. Once they have completed their scan, they give you the thumbs up. The airport courier then retrieves the firearm from TSA and he or she is then responsible for putting your firearm bag into the baggage system which then transports the bag to the baggage handlers and onto your flight. I usually walk with the courier back to airline desk and watch my bag get loaded onto the carousel before heading to security. After your flight, you simply go down to baggage claim and get your bag from the same baggage carousel as everyone else on your flight. It is really that simple.
My Travel Kit: 40 S&W Subcompact Pistol, 4 Mags, 40 rounds x 40 S&W, Inside Belt Holster (Uncle Mike’s), Outside The Belt Paddle Holster (Black Hawk Serpa), Cold Steel Recon1 Knife, and tactical flashlight.
8 Quick Tips When You Fly with a Gun
1. Check The Laws – If you are planning to carry a concealed firearm, check the local state laws before you fly to that state for reciprocity with your state (click here for map). Also, if you are flying with a long rifle, check to see if they are legal in the state you are flying to. It is not a good idea to fly into New York with an AR-15.
2. Get A Good Gun Case – Prior to your flight, buy a hard lockable case and check on TSA approved locks. I have never had a TSA agent look at my case. I think as long as it is a hard case with a lock, you are good to go.
3. Get A Good Case For Your Ammo – Buy a hard plastic carrier for your caliber of ammo. You can also use the factory packaging but I prefer a hard ammo case. The ammo just cannot be lose in your checked bag. Most airlines allow you to bring 11 pounds of ammo, double check with your airline’s website before you fly.
4. Keep The Keys With You – If your lockable case requires a key, keep the key in two separate locations. I like to keep one key in my backpack and one in my pocket.
5. Remind Yourself – Give yourself a reminder to declare the firearm. I like to carry my small ammo hard case in my hand as I walk up to the airport. That way I can’t forget to declare my firearm. Every year, people forget and get mixed up with the TSA. Don’t be that guy.
6. Make Sure Your Gun Is Unloaded – Sort of a no brainer but you would be surprised. When I fly, I have all of my mags unloaded and separated from my gun, with the slide or bolt locked open to the rear. Again, plan your trip.
7. Don’t Be A Jackass – Smile, be nice. The airline agent, the airline courier, and the TSA employees all have a job to do. This is not a time to joke around, just smile and say “I would like to declare a firearm.” A little bit of kindness can go a long way.
8. Get There Early – Allow at least extra 45 minutes for the TSA firearms process. If you normally show up an hour before your flight, show up 1:45 before your flight.
Good luck, I hope your travels are safe and fun and hopefully you will never have to use your firearm. Want more information? Here are the actual TSA guidelines from the TSA’s website.
- All firearms must be declared to the airline during the ticket counter check-in process.
- The firearm must be unloaded.
- The firearm must be in a hard-sided container that is locked. A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be pulled open with little effort cannot be brought aboard the aircraft.
- TSA must resolve all alarms in checked baggage. If a locked container containing a firearm alarms, TSA will contact the airline, who will make a reasonable attempt to contact the owner and advise the passenger to go to the screening location. If contact is not made, the container will not be placed on the aircraft.
- If a locked container alarms during screening and is not marked as containing a declared firearm, TSA will cut the lock in order to resolve the alarm.
- Travelers should remain in the area designated by the aircraft operator or TSA representative to take the key back after the container is cleared for transportation.
- Travelers must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
- Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm.
- Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber for a rifle or pistol and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm, as long as it follows the packing guidelines described above.
- TSA prohibits black powder or percussion caps used with black-powder.
- Rifle scopes are not prohibited in carry-on bags and do not need to be in the hard-sided, locked checked bag.
Flying with a gun can be a bit of a pain, but it can be done. Follow the steps I outlined, and you’ll be on your way!
you need to up date your info, it is just as easy in illinois as it is in any other conceal carry state. If you have florida, Utah and illinois you can conceal carry In almost any state that offers it except Colorado where you can only open carry if you are nor a resident.
I tried to credit this comment but I can only find support that this is incorrect. On Colorado.gov it says that it no longer recognizes permits that have been issued to someone who is not a resident of the state that issued it. I.e., someone who is not a resident of N.C. cannot conceal carry a gun in Colorado if their concealed carry permit was issued by N.C. I’m not sure how they get a permit from a state they don’t reside in but that’s unrelated to this subject. The conclusion being, as long as you are a resident of your concealed carry permit issued state and have a valid id to prove so you can conceal carry in Colorado as well.
the problem is I LIVE in ny state so Im kinda sol and trying to get a cc permit hear is a REAL pain in the ass first you have to BUY a pistol then you have to wait for up to a YEAR and then theirs the fee 100 up front and they DONT HAVE TO HAVE A REASON to turn you down so Ill just wait until we move from this fubar state to get a handgun
Actually it depends on your county & the judge. I’m upstate and was able to start the process & have my CHL in under a year. You can not legally buy your handgun until after you have a permit in the state of NY either. If you aren’t in the city or Long Island it may not be as difficult as you think-call your county office & talk to the clerk who handles the pistol permits to double check in what your county Judge requires.
Illinois is still a commie state.
Chicago is a communist state.
The rest of Illinois is not.
Whenever I’ve traveled with firearms, I always field-strip them: slide off frame, bolts out, pull the cylinders from revolvers. It’s probably more than I have to do, but I feel it’s one step towards making the people on the other side of the counter a bit more relaxed towards me, hopefully resulting in no hassle.
1) I have heard firsthand accounts from people flying out of LAX that you are routinely hassled by the ticket agents (can’t remember specific airlines) about the hard sided case. Specifically that the secure, hard sided case was not secure in their opinion. They still allowed the person to check the luggage, so it sounds more like a power trip thing.
2) So what do you do when your flight gets diverted to NY or NJ because of weather? Any suggestions?
I think if you leave the gun in the box, unloaded, and preferably with the slide removed you have a good argument. Same arguments are being made for people traveling from one marijuana friendly state to another but passing through and non friendly state.
Just don’t fly
I was flying into KC from Denver, the agent was fine when I declared my handgun, but the fellow passenger checking in next to me chuckled when the agent asked if I had a gun to declare, then went silent when I said yes. The look on her face was priceless. The year was 2002.
I do get worried about my flight being diverted into a commie state. You hear stories. I seldom fly anymore, but it seems that the TSA has become more accepting. I read on the TSA website that gun parts can be unsecured in your checked luggage. So if you dissemble the gun do you still need a locked case, which takes up a lot of room in your bag.
You have a liberal girlfriend? I’m sorry to hear.
They normally just take the suitcase with locked gun case inside and place it on the conveyor belt behind the ticket counter now. I only went with the suitcase one time and I think that was down in Corpus Christi Texas. I leave my ammo in the magazines and pack in same gun case as firearm. Magazine must be out of the firearm though. They accept (bullet point 8 above) the magazine as acceptable storage of ammunition. A must though is to have TSA locks on the gun case, otherwise it can be a problem.
“Only the passenger should retain the key or combination to the lock unless TSA personnel request the key to open the firearm container to ensure compliance with TSA regulations.“
To be clear I do declare my firearm and the ticket counter!
I suppose that pointing out that the Second Amendment states “shall not be infringed upon” is mote since they (TSA, etc.) infringe whenever and however they choose or at least whenever they think they can get away with it! I have not flown in over ten years and that was only for a funeral that I didn’t have the time to drive to. The GTSA (GestapoTSA) was at the airport in all it’s arrogant glory, but at least they didn’t do a body-cavity search! One of the problems for me with taking a firearm on a flight is that the yellow tape makes identifying and thus stealing your firearm much easier for crooks (government employees or not), and of course, I’m pretty sure your firearm must be registered, something I avoid for obvious reasons like confiscation (legalized theft)! Besides which, in many instances, when you get to your destination you will likely need transportation anyway, so just driving is IMHO the best option! Decide for yourself! Good Luck!
I have never had my firearm’s bag tagged with anything indicating a firearm was inside. That may be an old procedure concerning the tape, but I also only take a pistol and never have taken a long gun. The new card you fill out and tape to the case at the ticket counter will show up when the bag is x-rayed though. Always pack your hard case inside another suitcase and locked both with TSA approved locks.
GREAT Advice! Just flew from Seattle to Long Beach, CA to visit my dad and had to bring my new firearms to show him. It was much easier than anticipated. Flying home was even easier, Long Beach didn’t even open my bag, just rolled their eyes and slapped another tag on the bag with a “listen for your name if there is a problem TSA will call you” warning. I think the fact that I am female and traveling with my 11 year old daughter (owner of one of said firearms) made the eye roll funny. 🙂
If flight diverted – don’t accept firearm from tsa or airline. Explain that they need to ship and hold at final destination or send back to your residence.
In some situations, it’s even easier than the article says. I’m from Texas, and even different airports within Texas have differing procedures. In some, after declaring and filling out the form, putting it in the baggage and locking it, it goes directly on the carousel. If TSA does check it, it’s in the back after the bag has already disappeared from view. It’s literally about 30 seconds of extra time compared to not carrying.
Oh, and you just pick up your luggage like any other checked luggage. No special anything on the arrival end.
In one TSA approved pistol metal case I can get my Hi-Point 40 & the receiver for my Henry AR-7. The rest of the rifle I just pack in the same bag. If SHTF 2000 miles from home a rifle would be priceless.
This is a question that is asked often by my liberal girlfriend. “Why do you need a gun?”
She must be very attractive…….
She is ok.
You’re not allowed (per Fed regs) to use a TSA approved lock on your firearm case. Would you be willing to update your article?
49 CFR 1540.111
“A passenger may not transport or offer for transport in checked baggage … any unloaded firearm(s) unless … the container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.”
This is very a good thing though. TSA approved means the TSA has the master key for your lock.
You’re might not get a hard time (either the “berated by a TSA employee” kind, or the “jail” kind) if you use a TSA approved lock, but crap… if you’re supposed to use a high-security lock to secure your gun, instead of a lock where the clowns in the TSA and who knows else have the key, do it!
One possibility this rule gives you is to have a hardened suitcase as your “gun case”, so you can securely lock up your ENTIRE checked bag, and the TSA can’t easily or legally open it without you. It’s a great way to feel safe putting expensive tech in your checked bag. Even an inexpensive starter pistol in your bag qualifies you to do this. (See this DEF CON talk from 2009… rules might have changed but it’s got great ideas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH0m4kiMAWE )
I’m leaving from Seattle to Denver by flight would you believe I would go through a hassle with a high point 45
Haven’t flown with weapon and will be soon as I travel for a hunt. Really appreciate the tips you have listed here. Thanks a bunch.
Here is another current up to date simplified article. https://defensivepopulace.net/transporting-and-carrying-firearms-with-you-to-other-states/
I have a FN Five seveN and a P90 that I always bring with me. I find that field stripping the gun and keeping the barrel in a seperate case helps with TSA. Also, here are some small acts to lower others’ guard: A lazy smile, short clear answers, smart or no questions, headscratches (if done in correct moments, it can give off the impression of a harmless guy.), Hawaiian shirt and khaki shorts, and hands clear and obvious,etc. Use them all correctly and you’ll breeze through Gun Declaration. Also, get your permit out of your wallet or wherever you’re keeping it beforehand. I do all of them every time I have to fly somewhere and it turns out great.
Thank you for your insights. I fly with 1-2 guns when I am traveling to states that honor my carry license. Good tip on the TSA approved locks.
Very good article. I absolutely love this website. Keep writing!
Get your pilot certificate and fly General Aviation. No special procedures or TSA to deal with, and a lot of the time you beat the airlines to your destination. You might spend six hours at 135 knots instead of 2 hours at 400 but a three hour layover, plus a two waiting for the first flight and baggage claim sure does eat into your time. You might also be able to get closer to your destination instead of landing at a regional airport and driving another hour or two. And it’s a lot more fun being in the front seat!